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  • Jul. 29th, 2007 at 11:33 AM
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I've decided to succumb to a marketing impulse and create a brand for my research group. I decided to call it "HatSwitch," because we do research into both intrusion detection and privacy enhancing technologies, and we often use the same tools, just switching hats. Any brand, of course, deserves a logo as well, so [info]fanlain and I spent some time this weekend working on one. Here are three versions:



Poll #1029847 Hat switch
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

Which logo do you like?

View Answers

Black and white hat
17 (35.4%)

White hat
16 (33.3%)

Just the text
6 (12.5%)

None of the above
12 (25.0%)



We both have different favorites, but we're not going to say what they are to avoid influencing your votes!

Comments

[info]gaffetheorist wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:28 pm (UTC)
You Russians with your backwards letters...
[info]hukuma wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:37 pm (UTC)
It was actually [info]fanlain's idea.
[info]aepfelx wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:29 pm (UTC)
the backwards 'h' doesn't rub me the right way (jumps out from the rest of the word). have you guys tried ambigramming it?
[info]aepfelx wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
and now that i see the preceding comment, it strikes me that this aversion of mine is based on earlier aversion to "Toys'Я'Us" sort of silliness that always looked like an undue abuse of cyrillic to me
[info]fanlain wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
It's actually an effective backward R in that logo and isn't really that silly. If you look at many children when they first learn to right, a % of American children do have a tendency to start out by writing the letter 'R' backward and that's what it's reflecting. I seriously doubt they even pondered any correlation to Cyrillic whatsoever.
[info]fanlain wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 06:06 pm (UTC)
write, not right. gah.
[info]aepfelx wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
oh i don't doubt that that's what american kids read it as, it's just very grating on a russian eye.
[info]janviere wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
The backwards h also bothers me. Ambigramming is a great idea, but it would probably make it less legible...
[info]chimerically wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, ditto about the 'h' ...
[info]cypherpunk95 wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
That was also my first thought.

http://ambigram.matic.com/ambigram.htm
[info]hukuma wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 08:21 pm (UTC)
That's a pretty neat tool, but I don't like the result for hatswitch.
[info]namazu wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
What if you did the word hatswitch, with a hat on one of the letters, and then a shadow of the word hatswitch, with the other color hat? Let me see if I can mock something up...
[info]namazu wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:45 pm (UTC)
I think I like the idea of the black and white one best - both the backwards "h" and the black/white contrast communicate the "switch" idea.

However, the backwards "h" - probably because it's in a difficult phoneme - makes it more difficult to read, and as someone else said, "rubs me the wrong way".

I also am not sure I like the black on top, white on bottom look with the hat divided by the name. It looks like a mountain (or maybe a bimodal graph, which for some applications might be appropriate) instead of a hat.

What if you did left-right black and white (half and half) and put the name underneath? Still doesn't "help" with the backwards "h". And I do like the general idea of having the word in the middle of the hat, dividing it. Hmmm...

Sorry to be so full of negativity today, but I have strong opinions about what works and doesn't work in the areas of organization (virtually nothing I've tried) and logos (lots of things, but I think this one could use some modification). Also, I could use more sleep. ;)
[info]namazu wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
It also looks a little too much like the Arby's logo.
http://www.arbys.com/
[info]enochsmiles wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
That must be why I don't like it. (Arby's was my first job, when I was 15. I decided right then that I was never working a consumer-facing job again.)
[info]hukuma wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
I had considered doing a vertical split, but with the word going through the hat it would probably be too hard to read. I'll try it with the word underneath.
[info]threadwalker wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of the both black and white one, but from a design standpoint I would put the black on the bottom (which means you could to the detail lines in white).
[info]lizcase wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 06:45 pm (UTC)
For some reason I read 'hat swi ctrl' with the backward h. I know it says switch but my brain refuses to read it that way.
[info]neilfred wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
I agree with the people who have complained about the backwards h...

I also think a vertical split for the hat color might look better, and you could maintain legibility by having the text be white-on-black over the black part and black-on-white over the white part. Of course, you wouldn't want to switch colors in the text more than once, so you could, for example, get the full word "hat" to be white-on-black and "switch" to be black-on-white. Or something.

Also, with it being all lower-case, it's possible to parse it as "hats witch" -- putting the color change at the intended word break would help avoid that.
[info]chocolatecoffee wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm not crazy about the backwards h, though it might scan better if the c was also backwards. I like the white hat best. May I suggest trying the color change along / or | instead?
[info]plymouth wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)
Oh,yeah, and I would make the "t" backwards too, then everything to right of center would be backwards (the "i" and "w" being symmetrical with the chosen font)
[info]sueg wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC)
I just have to say that I LOVE the backwards h, and don't understand why it rubs a few others the wrong way.

I voted for the white hat, but almost voted for the black and white one. I like the idea of the black and white one better, but I think that logo needs more work. The hat isn't quite integrated with the text... I'd fool around with it some more, but you're on a good track.
[info]ephermata wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC)
I initially read the backwards h as "rl". That made it a bit difficult to figure out what the word was without the context of your explanation. The suggestion of turning both the c and the h backwards would work, though.
[info]eqe wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2007 01:11 am (UTC)
I would like the text to be a bolder font, and the second t to be reversed, and maybe something interesting done to the c (maybe just reverse it, maybe lay it on its back... unsure.) I would consider splitting the hat vertically (left side white, right side black).

But I love the concept!
[info]zestyping wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2007 10:19 am (UTC)
I got stuck on the reversed "h", which read as a lowercase "d" to me.

I think one reason the reversed "R" works in Toys R Us is that a reversed R can't be read as any other letter.
[info]zestyping wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2007 10:35 am (UTC)
How about two hats, one black and one white, to avoid the Arby's effect?

[info]hukuma wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC)
That's pretty nice, thanks! [info]namazu suggested doing something similar, so I think I'll play with a few designs based on this concept.
[info]lsorense wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2007 03:04 pm (UTC)
That does look rather nice.

I guess another option on the original is the have a white hat with a black brim. Might work, although I think the one with two hats is excellent.
[info]svenof9 wrote:
Nov. 19th, 2007 04:48 am (UTC)
haha! if you had a witch's hat...

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